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	<title>Comments on: News from cognitive research: People don&#8217;t need god to be good.</title>
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	<description>ain't that the truth</description>
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		<title>By: quodlibetor</title>
		<link>http://blog.quodlibetor.com/2007/10/news-from-cognitive-research-people-dont-need-god-to-be-good/comment-page-1/#comment-1894</link>
		<dc:creator>quodlibetor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, i was pretty tired when i wrote that. What i should have said is that secular ideas are equally effective, but over a broader population. Meaning that secular ideas have a larger effect when measured against the total population. Especially when in a significantly less theistic population.

I suppose that one of my assumptions, that people of other religions aren&#039;t affected by the god of some other religion, is faulty if you don&#039;t &lt;em&gt;mention&lt;/em&gt; what kind of god you&#039;re talking about. As they didn&#039;t in the study. But i do wonder what kind of result they would get if instead of using the generic terms for spirituality that they did, they primed with words like &quot;christian&quot; &quot;jesus&quot; &quot;muhammed&quot; etc. Words that are intended to be positive, but which also have different meanings in different populations. I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;pretty sure&lt;/em&gt; that the result would be (drastically) different.

I agree wholeheartedly though: all that this does is shows that there are techniques that work well at getting at the real effect religion has on people, and that we should really use them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, i was pretty tired when i wrote that. What i should have said is that secular ideas are equally effective, but over a broader population. Meaning that secular ideas have a larger effect when measured against the total population. Especially when in a significantly less theistic population.</p>
<p>I suppose that one of my assumptions, that people of other religions aren&#8217;t affected by the god of some other religion, is faulty if you don&#8217;t <em>mention</em> what kind of god you&#8217;re talking about. As they didn&#8217;t in the study. But i do wonder what kind of result they would get if instead of using the generic terms for spirituality that they did, they primed with words like &#8220;christian&#8221; &#8220;jesus&#8221; &#8220;muhammed&#8221; etc. Words that are intended to be positive, but which also have different meanings in different populations. I&#8217;m <em>pretty sure</em> that the result would be (drastically) different.</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly though: all that this does is shows that there are techniques that work well at getting at the real effect religion has on people, and that we should really use them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Munger</title>
		<link>http://blog.quodlibetor.com/2007/10/news-from-cognitive-research-people-dont-need-god-to-be-good/comment-page-1/#comment-1892</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Munger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the writeup. I agree -- fascinating stuff. I&#039;m not sure I buy your argument that &quot;god is less effective than secular ideas.&quot; It&#039;s roughly equivalent, not less effective. It&#039;s less effective for atheists, but over the whole population, even with atheists averaged in, it&#039;s equally effective.

Also, this is a very small study. More research clearly needs to be done.

But I do like your headline! I was trying to be diplomatic with mine. The title for the journal article itself is even worse: &quot;God is watching you: Priming God concepts increases prosocial behavior in an anonymous economic game.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the writeup. I agree &#8212; fascinating stuff. I&#8217;m not sure I buy your argument that &#8220;god is less effective than secular ideas.&#8221; It&#8217;s roughly equivalent, not less effective. It&#8217;s less effective for atheists, but over the whole population, even with atheists averaged in, it&#8217;s equally effective.</p>
<p>Also, this is a very small study. More research clearly needs to be done.</p>
<p>But I do like your headline! I was trying to be diplomatic with mine. The title for the journal article itself is even worse: &#8220;God is watching you: Priming God concepts increases prosocial behavior in an anonymous economic game.&#8221;</p>
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